Birmingham Cross City 2021

Thanks Belle. All services should have the correct headcode. Could you give me an example so I can investigate.

On 1L98 Bristol Temple Meads - Stansted Airport it shows as having 1M92 on the GSM-R

D'oh. Well with almost 1200 services missing one isn't a bad ratio. ;)

great work on the timetable, can you please explain to me how you managed to cook the livery's and how you created the station asset dlc's ?

Thanks Mad31basher. I followed essentially the same procedure you described in your pdf (GodMode Livery Export - import image to Editor - create Material - apply to RVV child).

By station asset I am assuming you mean the off map destinations. For that I created a new plugin CrossCitx and set up the same folder structure as the original CrossCity plugin. I copied over the CrossCity_StationDirectory and added the new destinations. Then cook the plugin. Copy the CrossCitx folder somewhere else and rename it CrossCity. Delete the Content and Resources folders. Rename CrossCitx.uplugin file and edit it's contents. Rename all other instances of CrossCitx (ie. folders) and then open every file with a hex editor & replace all references to CrossCitx. Move new CrossCity plugin to your plugin folder. Open Editor and pack without original plugin checked.

Thanks for the info, i will have a go with that, working on another timetable, thanks for the praise about the livery export method. Interesting about the Hex editing, i shall have a go with that, ta very much !, hope you have a great weekend !

i'm still not having any job with re-livered stock into my timetable, when you are distributing your livery pak, are you adding all the DLC requirements in the box ?. Are you adding your DLC name as a requirement for your timetable to reference?, ta

This sounds like more than I can easily cover here. Hit me up on the DTG forum or Discord.

Can you make a PDF on how to do this, I'm
not having any luck, thanks!

PDF for which.

Thanks mldaureol.

Just so that Trag sees this to fix this issue you need to manually set the power mode in the TT formation file of the 350s like so:

Thanks Sea Leopard. For the 350s arriving at Aston are those from New Street or heading to New Street. If you like Aston may I suggest 06:50.

Thanks Fawx. I set those settings on the playable 350s but didn't know they affected the AI only ones as well.

Thanks for your reply.

The issue with the destination displays is down to the game itself, so it's for DTG to sort out (or not sort out).

Thanks Ivy.

Honestly I am not sure about the CrossCountry 170s. I used the May 2021 WTT for timings and a little bit of current day Rail Time Trains for consists and such. If you know otherwise I am happy to correct the consists.

Yes I believe these would have been 3 cars (I live here), its difficult to find proof though. I don't think I've ever seen a CC 170 as a 2 car formation - maybe someone else will correct me but from what I remember of New St. in 2021 they were usually always 3x1 or more rarely 3x2

It appears as a 3 car in this route from ATS for TSC: https://alanthomsonsim.com/downloads/1v02-0537-birmingham-new-street-to-cardiff-central/

tbh I'm not sure, so if you have better info definitely ignore me!
There are some various photos of them on different journeys: http://www.hondawanderer.com/Class_170.htm

Eg:
http://www.hondawanderer.com/170110_Bredon_2021.htm
"Running 25 minutes late, due to a delay incurred by the failure of an axle counter in the Birmingham area, 170110 passes Bredon on 13 June 2021 with the 1V07 14:16 Nottingham to Cardiff Central CrossCountry service."

I have found further discussion as here of the change from 2 car to 3 car
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/cross-country-class-170-2-car-3-car-upgrades.213148/

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/about-wmr-170-6-and-xc-170-5-renumbering-as-well-as-196s-1st-rev-service.210091/page-3

so it seems the 3 car sets were introduced near the spring/summer of 2021 - though tbh I'm not sure so if you have better info definitely ignore my ramblings lol

Side point: Have noticed a bug with the AI 170s at nighttime, they only have the left light on, the right one is completely off, if you go into the cab of an AI one and change the lights to off then back on night mode, they light correctly.

Thanks for the info Ivy. You would be the expert on this one as my first timetable was my home route.

What I have gathered XC inherited 13 two-car and 16 three-car 170's in 2007. In 2021, 6 center cars were transferred from West Midlands which resulted in 7 two-car and 22 three-car. I do not know where the 2 cars ran prior to 2007 or after 2021.

As I said I used Real Time Trains for formation info as the WTT doesn't give that info. Looking at today 1V04 0704 Nottingham to Cardiff Central is 2x2car formation. That of course doesn't prove what would have been running back then. So for variety let's call this Creator license ;)

There is a 5 car unit in the timetable. It departs New Street at 05:52.

Finally have you noticed the 170 headlight bug on the Fife Circle or just on my timetable.

Creative license! yes that works haha. Ahh that's annoying, it appears its a game bug since the issue is present on fife circle too. Thanks for the reply.

yep definitely a game issue sadly, just removed all my mods and its still a problem.

Thanks for checking that Ivy. Had a feeling it was a core issue. Add it to the list.

Thanks Quentin J.

i'm having the same issue, i tried installing it in the main tsw 5 folder and i had no luck either

are you putting it into another DLC folder? You have to put the pak files in another DLC folder that already exists alongside the vanilla dlc pak. It doesnt matter which dlc you choose

Thanks for help,

I've installed it in "Xbox Games > Birmingham Cross-City > Content > TS2 Prototype > Content > DLC

It's just odd, as i've done this for WCMLS, it just doesn't work for this one for some reason. maybe I should choose a different file directory

If you've got other mods to work then I'm not sure unfortunately. Perhaps try a different dlc folder, try splitting up the 3 mod paks into different dlc folders, try putting only the timetable mod pak in and omit the other 2 and see if it shows up - or inverse, try adding the train mod pak only and spawning one of the modded trains in free roam to see if that mod pak is loading. Beyond that I'm not sure what the next step would be for troubleshooting.

Yeah I've tried that also, I've noticed a few other people are having problems with the microsoft store version too, maybe Trag could help when they see this feedback fingers crossed - it looks so fun to play and it's my home route lol

Hi crgtrainspotter and Lucky Popcorn. I don't have the Xbox PC version so I am afraid I can't help you. If anyone has any suggestions to look at, I would be happy to.

Thanks for your reply, I've tried to place into the correct directory maybe there's something stopping the .pak to be enabled on this version perhaps. I'm not too sure how the .pak files are exported or need more configuration, but hopefully someone can help with a solution! it looks so good I'm super jealous right now as I don't have the steam version

I have the same issue.. I doesn't matter if I put it in the DLC folder or the PAK folder it just doesn't show up in the game..

I'm not too sure why this is causing a problem, never had one before installing mods on the Microsoft store version.
I don't have experience with modding but I'm not too sure if the .pak file needed something for it to be configured for the microsoft store version maybe someone with experience could help and elaborate on this post - that would be super helpful! This is the only mod that hasn't worked for me on this platform sadly!

I also have no idea what is causing the problem.. There are 2 other timetable mods that doesn't work for me on the Xbox version.. The Mittenwaldbahn and the Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr timetable mods.. With other timetable mods I have no problmes at all..
I realy hope that someone can find a solution for this problem.. This is one timetable I was realy looking forward to play..

Oh that's interesting to hear! I've only got Brighton - Victoria Timetable Mod, WCMLS 2019 & 2024 Enhancement Mod & Sound Mods & Fife Circle Mod. Maybe it's something to do with it the way it's exported but I've been trying all of yesterday and today to get it working

The only thing I can think of that Trag can check from their end is that they've set the timetable target platforms in the editor as follows: https://youtu.be/P0oOZwoeI0E?si=1EONKGJJZLTovX8w&t=378 (time = 00:06:10)

Perhaps xbox needs to be ticked for the timetable to work on the xbox pc version... not sure as I'm only just learning to mod

Hey Ivy, Thank you so much for your input and support - you absolute legend! I'm hoping that this can be the solution.

Thanks Kevf. Let me know if you run into any issues.

Thanks CookieBot. Let me know if you run into any issues.

Thanks Rob.

Hope you enjoy it TfW150. Let me know if you run into any issues.

Thanks RedRev1917.

At the moment no plans to add freight but never say never.

Thanks trainsimmer.

Thanks rail_sim_01. That's odd regarding the 170's. I'll have a look.

Found the problem. This will be fixed in the first update.

Thanks csorgom41.

Thanks paddy. Glad you are enjoying it.

Thanks Flukey. See forum comment ;)

First do you have Midland Mainline and Great Western Express installed? Second do you have any mods installed?

no they appeared i thought i can drive them

The 158 and HST are AI only services as the only station they serve on the route is New Street. You can spawn them in and drive them using free roam.

I have added a static RHTT based on Google maps imagery. It will be in the next update.

Thanks Diesel Dan. Happy to be your first ;)

Thanks Isaac.

Hey Josh. Thanks.

I was unable to contact Spike. I couldn't find them on Discord or the DTG forum.

Thanks CookieBot.

Thanks crgtrainspotter.

Does it work now PC Gamepass
If so, can you tell how it was fixed?
There are a very few other TTmods that don't work on Gamepass because the Modder obviously missing something to make it work.

TT should work on Xbox PC version (I don't own it but Lucky Popcorn tested it for me).
I found 2 issues that were causing the problem,

• there has to be services on the Master layer. Don't know if it matters if it has to Playable ones or AI will work. My TT has playable (moved 323 services from a layer to the Master).
• the UGC file should not contain any DLC requirements.
  This of course is not an exhaustive list but what was the issue with my TT.

Glad you are enjoying Ivy. I think the TVL is a major feature of the line and it would be criminal if I didn't include it.

Timetable works fine on my end. Yes I would recommend removing all other mods to see if one of them is causing a problem after the latest patch update.

I have this exact same issue, did you find out which mod caused the issue.

Yes it will work fine.

Where from and to??

oh yes I noticed on in New St not sure what service I was playing though

Thanks Ksw21. Interesting. I don't own Cardiff but I take it it's subbing in for the TfW 158's.

Hey. I am on the TSC Discord.

whart your user name so i cam dm you

Trag or traghippo.

Thanks Perks390.
Hadn't thought of that. I suspect the AI 323 will depart with open doors but I'll give it a test to see.

Hey vegetable37. Yes the Timetable will work without those routes.

Only BCC is required. Everything else just adds layers to the timetable. You will be missing the following services: Class 170 (Fife Circle), Class 158 (MML) and Railtour (NTP).

Thanks ml302. Glad you are enjoying the timetable.
Also thanks for the info. Still trying to get my head wrapped around how dispatch beyond works. I'll give this a try and will incorporate it into any future update.

I just ran this service with no problem zoorg. Do you have Bescot's approach control mod installed as I know this causes problems with my TT.

Indeed, the problem is Bescot's approach control. Thank you, you solved my problem.

Happy to help.

Merci JF3110.

edited for correction.

Glad you are enjoying it silvybird.

Just letting you know, the changelog has a typo for the date. It threw me off because it reads 2024 instead of 2025. As always, thank you for making these amazing timetables!

D'oh! Thanks should be corrected shortly.

Thanks MOB3004. Glad you are enjoying it.

Hey DJApp. Thanks and I am glad you are enjoying my TT. I do plan on releasing a duplicate version of the TT using the new 170's at some point. No timeline as I am working on something else at the moment.

I would also like to see the 170s swapped for the new ones as it eliminates the headlight bug. Thanks trag. Sorry about any confusion that might have occured on DTG forum the other day.

Oh btw I was playing 2U40 today and had to be within 5m accurate at BHM for the objective to register.

Hey Ivy. No problem it's all good.

I will add the new 170's at some point but to honest it's going to be awhile. To be frank it cost me money to release free content and I have a strict "on sale" policy due to my limit budget. Hopefully the upcoming ScotRail 170 update fixes the headlight bug.

The 5m accuracy is because I had to set Exact Location to the stop instruction due to BHM's split platforms (this will be increased to 10m in the next update) as the game only sees it as 1 long platform.

(this is without Exact Location set)
So if an AI train bound for Platform 6B stops at 6A due to red signal entering 6B. The game sees that as successfully stop, the doors will open and the train will remain at 6A until it is scheduled to leave. This is a problem if another train is scheduled to 6A and just blocks everything up.

A similar thing sometimes happens with the XC HST and Pendos if when you spawn in (either on foot or starting a service) the front half of the train spawns on the platform. The game says good enough and now you have the back end of the train blocking traffic. So the Exact location forces the AI to stop where I tell it (i.e. the Pendos pull up or the train continues to 6B).

This is will affect all playable services at BHM. Just make sure you are no more than 5m before the marker (after should be fine)

No worries, I get what you mean about the money part so I totally understand.

As for the 5m accuracy I think I knew that actually I just forgot, I'm sure you'd mentioned it before now you've explained it again. My memory isn't the best atm (illness) - but yeh the 2 trains at the split platforms is one of the things that made me love the mod even more as it was more realistic so I dont mind at all being accurate!

all still works for anyone else wondering

Hey foxtrotostrich. There has been no changes to my timetable and it stills uses the ScotRail 170.

Thanks. Really appreciate your timetable it brings that dlc to life. Will the 220 be getting added?

The 220 will be added at some point.

Never mind, ignore this - user error! Turns out I had an old version of the Toronto Commuter timetable lurking in my addons, once I'd deleted that this shows the correct name. Apologies!

No worries torchwood_southend. Glad you got it working.

Eventually yes but I can not say when.

The only difference between the 2 timetables is the 170's. The 220's will be swapped over in the future.
Currently the TSW6 Editor is basically broken. So no TSW6 content until that gets fixed.

As per the time period, there still are 5 XC HST's in service. They will remain even when the 220's are swapped in. You'll find a HST layer and a 220 layer.

I decided to be sneaky and hide the 2 playable services. You'll have to find them and jump into driver's seat. All that I will say is they are both ECS runs.

Oh I see! Thanks for clarifying

Good day M7 UTC. I think you might be confusing my 2021 timetable with the upcoming OTS 2019 timetable. My timetable is set after the 150s and 153s were withdrawn but includes a TfW 158 reskin. Here is TST's video when it first came out,
https://youtu.be/NCOXcNrMdAc?si=aGixHGSoCcWpM8uo