[OTS] WCML South (Winter 2019) Timetable V1.5

drag and drop the files into the location mentioned in the product description above

You haven’t simply copied the files listed above & tried to paste those have you?

sorted tks guys.

enjoy :D

We like to listen to feedback, we will see what can be done in the near future :)

Appreciate that guys cheers! 👍🏻

Thank you so much for putting in full length intermodals. So much more immersive and realistic.

worked for me on PC Xbox

great, thank you!

This is being investigated to see if a fix can be made, thanks.

Do you have the reskins from this page installed? They are needed for the RHTT services, as detailed in the manual. https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world/c19-patches/i5372-west-coast-main-line-south-wcml-london-euston-milton-keynes-enhancement-pack

Yes I do, and still there is no sign of it working.

Delete the GBRf Class 66 pak file from DLC ,then it will work .I had the same problem.

The GBRf Class 66 needs the RHTT dlc installed. If you don't own that it will crash. The dlc is listed in the requirements above. If you don't own RHTT (worth having) then the reskin will try to load and crash because it needs the RHTT 66 as it's base

Ah alright, cheers, I'll do that now. I will get the RHTT soon because I'd love to have the other liveries. Thanks for the help!

I know how you feel...

Do you have the reskins from this page installed? They are needed for the RHTT services, as detailed in the manual. https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world/c19-patches/i5372-west-coast-main-line-south-wcml-london-euston-milton-keynes-enhancement-pack

I have the same error too

This timetable doesn't touch any of the Class 66s. That's something you'd have to ask DTG about.

Does it work for the default Class 350 included with the WCML South route?

Yes, just doesnt work on your ones

Please can you provide information on exactly what service you were driving, whether you loaded it from the menu or spawned on foot, what time this is, and where those trains are queuing up.

I spawned on foot and got on an AI train, another issue was it departed with the doors still closing, and the issue happened at between 9:45 and 10:00 on the 26th of November, it happened on the run between Watford and Harrow & Wealdstone as far as I can remember. The service I was on passed these stuck trains but then got stuck at a red signal itself causing the whole line to come to a standstill. Let me know if you need any more information.

Thanks Ben. Are you able to reproduce the issue if you spawn on foot at the same time and ride the same service?

Alright, I'll try, and then see if I can get you an image of it! Give me a few minutes and I'll provide an image if possible.

So weirdly this time it happened at around 10:55, but differently all trains came up on the departure board as 1 hour early, also all trains in Euston were stopped with red signals, and my 377 had a green but registered it as a red. I have an image of Euston here, but it won't let me attach it weirdly.
The only way I would manage to recreate it the same way as before is by starting all the way from Milton Keynes again, which as you know would take ages. Although I did notice on the map while starting from Milton Keynes a blockage similar to before had started happening again further ahead.

If you are missing some of the required DLC for certain layers, please could you let us know which ones, and also try running the TT with those layers disabled?

Also, have you been using photo mode at all when driving? Advancing time in photo mode is know to cause issues like this with TTs.

Nope, I haven't been using photo mode. And also the only DLC I'm missing is WCML: Preston - Carlisle which is only for railtours afaik. I'll try disabling it and I'll let you know next time I play TSW.

So I tried searching but I'm not 100% sure of how to disable it, so if you could possibly provide info on how to disable just that layer it would be great, thanks.

Just for the record I tried driving a route from Tring - Euston and ended up in a traffic jam just north of Watford.

Hello Ben, can you provide more detail please?
-What service were you driving?
-When did the problem happen?
-Did you touch photo mode at all during the session?
-What layers do you have enabled?
-What DLC you have installed out of the requirements list in the manual

Cheers

We'll look into getting this updated for a future patch, thanks.

Assuming the task ends and the signal clears around 17:31, it is intentional and not a bug.

Its not a regular passenger service so will be held whilst timetabled services are given priority. A bit like freight has to wait for passenger services!

Thanks for the kind words! I think the issue must have been fixed in a DTG/Incredible Trains update as we haven't done anything to the 378 here :)

Yes, that is correct for the time period this timetable is set - November 2019. This was the final few weeks of the Virgin franchise so many of the 390s had had their Virgin branding removed and were in a plain white livery, but they technically were still Virgin Trains services.

Cool thanks :)

Then it's on DTG to add RailDriver support...

Hi can you please educate me how you manage to apply reskins using the TSW 5 editor, so far i've been unable to achieve this, thanks!

They did? The raildriver works for the 350 when not using your mod, but ceases to work on your timetable.

Hi, I have passed this onto the developer to investigate, thanks.

Good morning, thank you for making us aware of the issue with Trains 741 & 201D. They have now been rectified and will be included in the upcoming patch

Hi OTS Josh.
Thankyou for the fixes, hopefully, there will be no other problems with other scenario's, if there is, I will let you know.

We have no plans to do this

Thanks for your reply , although not particularly helpful to developers , why wouldn't you share ?

The reskins for this timetable weren't developed by us in-house, they were done externally. Meaning we don't have the expertise in-house to produce a tutorial.

thank you for your kind words! Glad you are enjoying the timetable. Look out for the updates to come in the near future!

there certainly is something coming for another route..!

Oooh😊😊

Hello Ivy, the manual lists the typical calling patterns of services at “off-peak” times. After approximately 16:30 is when “peak time” (evening rush-hour) starts. Thereafter calling patterns are not necessarily the same in the evening rush hour and as the service winds down for the day as off-peak

ah thank you for the explanation, its going to make announcements a little harder to put together but now I know it will be fine! thanks

It would make it a lot easier if I had the original timetable that you used if I could have that? I would appreciate it, but no worries if its too much trouble.

Hello Ivy, I’m unable to send you any document or spreadsheet as I made extensive use of FreightLocate (a paid subscription website) in the creation of the timetable.

However, Network Rails WTT archive is an excellent alternative resource. Perhaps you could try that?

https://history.networkrail.co.uk/uncategorized/SO_4b13306b-816a-4d77-89ec-630d6beb2680/

thanks thats really helpful :)

Hello, have you double checked that you have all of the requirements for the required reskins installed? Other users have reported issues driving the GBRf 66 services because they don’t own the RHTT pack (a prerequisite of the GBRf 66 reskins)

Thank you very much for your kind words Tof, they are greatly appreciated by all involved 😊

Hello, it isn't an absolute must that you own the Mildmay Line to be able to play the timetable. It can still function without issue if you don't own it, you just won't see or be able to play any of the services that use it. Still plenty of other action for you to enjoy! :)

Thanks!

I don't have Mildmay but this timetable is fantastic without it.

Good morning, you absolutely can :) you just won't see or be able to play any of the intermodal services that use it. Hope you enjoy!

Great.. Thanks a lot for this mod !

Hi Tof, thanks again for the positive comments :)

I note however that you don’t have any of the included 390 reskins installed, have you had any issues with them at all?

Hello Josh,
Honestly, I thought I had everything because I only copied the following 5 files from version 1.2 of the mod:
OTS_WCMLS_390_Reskins.pak
OTS_WCMLS_350_ExLM.pak
OTS_WCMLS_350_ExLM_Black.pak
OTS_WCMLS_350_LNR.pak
OTS_WCMLS_Winter_2019_TT.pak
However, I do have "Virgin" 390s and other vehicles like the 66 in different lines in my [WCML South Schedule (Winter 2019)]. Not being a development specialist, I could have made some mistakes and omissions, so if this seems to be the case, don't hesitate to ask me for further information if you feel it's necessary for the proper execution of this superb mod!!! Sincerely to you and the entire team, tof

Hello Davey, this is something I’m actively working towards with RobS at the moment.

Due to the weight/physics issues with the FKAs, we are having to decrease the weight of the FKAs to enable the mixed consists while keeping the intermodals a realistic length. Stay tuned 🙂

That’s great news. Hope you guys get it cracked.

Hello, there are no plans for this because we don’t want to add extra services that never actually ran on the day, which would be the case with adding more NMT services unfortunately.

Can always spawn it in free roam in amongst the running timetable. Take it anywhere you like, very NMT.

Apologies for delay in reply. We have finally identified an implementation for this. So we hope we can put it in place for v1.4 :D

Hi Hannah, does this apply to all of the RHTT services or just certain ones? And is this when the AI is driving the RHTT services or the player? Thanks :)

Thank you Keith and everyone else that has left kind words about v1.3 :D

Cheers for letting me know Kev, I’ll look into it for next update :D

Hi ROB S.
These are the Class 66's, I have in the DLC Install, after removing everything to do with V1.3 and Re-Installed everything.
They are as follows:
Class 66 Mega Pack
!!ATSMACDBClass66subsitionpatch
!!SEHS-RHTT-66MegaPackGBRFPatch
!!SHGClass66MegaPackMilitaryPatch
!Branded_FCA
!Branded_FKA
!Laika-DB-HeadlightPatch
!Tesco_FKA
CargoLineIntermodalBranding
EcmlEmkRHTT66sound27725
FKABrandedCargo
Laika_Freightliner_Class66
RB_GBRF_66
That is all the 66 I have in my InstallDLC Folder for TSW5.
Am I missing something here, do you know please? If so, please could you tell me what it is?
Thankyou.

You have cargo line volume 2 and 3 dlc?
Also the 66s needed for these mods.
ECML 66
WCML 66
SEHS 66
RHTT 66

Hi ROB S.
Yes ! I have everything there, I have the ECML DLC .... WCML South DLC ..... I have SEHS DLC and I also have the RHTT DLC and I own all cargo packs..
I have noticed on the Military Class 66 the Loco picture is missing, so I took out the replacement military cargo pack mod and I now see the loco on WCML 2019 TT.
But there still some 66's with only one job and still have empty wembley yard.
Before the 66 Mega pack came out using V1.2 , as I keep saying, no problems whatsoever, but ! With V1.3, I am now getting this problem, I don't understand it.

Hello, hopefully I can provide some clarity here on a couple of things

1. "there still some 66's with only one job". For some Class 66"
   a) This is entirely intentional for some of the Class 66 skins, as my knowledge with the way subbing works in TSW5 is still somewhat limited. The Class 66 liverys that are intended to only have 1 playable service (that being 6M87 shunting) are:

• "Class 66/8 Advenza Freight"
• "Class 66/4 Original Direct Rail Services (Light Engine)"
• "Class 66 DBS" from Cargoline Intermodal
• "Class 66 DB" from Manchester Airport Commuter
• "Class 66 DRS" from the Rivet Games Engineering Express pack

2. "still have empty wembley yard."
   a) Without knowing more details (time of day in the sim, if you own the RHTT pack, have all of your owned DLC installed etc), I'd like to assure you this is also nothing to worry about. There will be times of day where the yard is quieter than others. Because of the complex nature of that area around Wembley and Willesden, one of my considerations in the creation of the timetable was how busy to make the yard. As it was a priority for me to protect users performance as much as possible, as such, I placed no static wagons or consists in the yard apart from the consists which relate to trains that either depart later on in the day or have arrived there at some point beforehand.

Hope this helps! :)

Hi OTS Josh.
Thankyou so much for your reply, it was really helpful and informative, for which, I am truly grateful.
So ! It would seem then, that, everything is correct as it was intended and thank goodness, I can continue to use this mod on the V1.3. It would have really upset me if I had to remove it. Thankfully ! That's now not the case.
Just for your reference OTS Josh, the time of day around Wembley yard, was between 3:30 am to around 16:00 pm time.
I just found it rather unusual for the yard to be almost empty at those time's of the day, as I was a real Life Driver who use to go to Wembley on many occasion with a class 47 with a freightliner train from Stratford (Being a Stratford Driver at that time), and most of the time, the yard was quite full.
Anyway! Once again, thankyou for the explaination and I am somewaht relieved that all is good with my Install of V1.3.
Many Thanks.

It should work as intended. Try placing the files into TSW6 and have a go to find out :)

Hi On Track Simulation.
Sadly for me, this mod and the class 66 Mega pack crash me back to desktop everytime I try to drive something, I even tried the 1972 stock ... Crash to desktop, took the mega pack 66's out and lost all intermodal trains with the exception of the ONE Class 66, which, gave me 3 Intermodals, try to drive the scenario, crash to desktop.
I have no idea what to do now , other than wait for both Mods to be updated.
Really sorry to be the bearer of bad news in my case, might just be me, of that ! I have no idea.
Rachel.

Unfortunately, I’m getting the crashes too.

Hi Feedbacker 1
Glad to see it isn't just me with the problem, hopefully ! They will now look at it and try to fix the crashing of both items giving us the grief !

We will investigate the issues and hopefully have a new build up ASAP

Hi On Track Simulation.
Thanks for the reply, will look forward to the new build as I miss this mod already.

Yep, the same for me too. Firstly, I lost all intermodal services but a reinstall of the pack brought them back into the game but everytime I try to play a service the game CTD’s. I’ll research further to see if the PAX services cause a crash too.
Josh, appreciate all your efforts. :)

Hi everyone, we are still actively working on a fix for the CTD issue. The release of the TSW6 editor has helped somewhat. One of the things that has been implemented with the new editor is an official cooking method/button, but the degree to which that is functional isn't very high, or at least uncertain, as is certainly the case with our timetable. Basically the current sitrep is that we are seeking ways around the editors issues with new cooking, while at the same time waiting for a fix from DTG or someone in the modding community to come up with a patch for it. This however isn't guaranteed to fix the CTD issue, but no doubt will go some way to determining a cause and/or solution.

Hi OTS Josh.
Thankyou for the Info, take your time and release the timetable when it's fixed, much better that way. :)

Thank you for the update Josh. I can imagine the frustration…DTG dont really do themselves any favours do they? Anyways, at least progress is being made by your good self. Look forward to being able to run your awesome TT again soon! Regards.

You star Josh! The premier TT is working great again! Appreciate how quickly you resolved the problem. Thanks again!

Hi OTS Josh.
Thankyou for the Update, have loaded quite a number of trains in-game and haven't suffered any crashing issues.
Very appreciative of your determination to get this mod up and running again.
Thankyou once again.
Rachel.

Thanks for the positive comments guys, appreciate it :D

many thanks Denis, hope you continue to enjoy our work :)

You need both Fungaming.

Thanks for letting me know

hi Anthony, yes a Voyager is on the wishlist of additions :D

hi Solicitr,

Besides the vastly different liveries custom made for the timetable, the service pattern is quite different being based in 2019. Especially at LNWR with their through services to Liverpool and Rugeley and Class 9 headcodes. This timetable also features more varied freight, with accurate length intermodal trains with branded FCA containers, and makes use of the fantastic Class 66 megapack from SprattyHeath. I'll post an overview of the passenger service pattern from Euston below. (You can also find an overview of service pattern listed in the manual included in the download):

LNWR:

• 2TXX - xx:04 Tring stopper
• 9KXX - xx:15 Crewe Express via Birmingham
• 9KXX - xx:24 Rugeley Trent Valley stopper via Northampton and Birmingham
• 2TXX - xx:34 Tring stopper
• 1UXX - xx:46 Crewe express
• 9FXX - xx:49 Liverpool semi fast via Northampton and Birmingham
• 2KXX - xx:54 Milton Keynes stopper

Virgin:

• 1HXX - xx:00 Manchester via Stoke (fast to Stoke then Macclesfield)
• 9GXX - xx:03 Birmingham (fast to Rugby)
• 1FXX - xx:07 Liverpool (fast to Stafford)
• 1DXX - xx:10 Chester/Holyhead (MKC then Crewe)
• 1HXX - xx:20 Manchester via Stoke (MKC fast to Stoke then Stockport)
• 9GXX - xx:23 Birmingham (Watford then fast to Coventry)
• 1SXX - xx:30 Glasgow (fast to Warrington)
• 1HXX - xx:40 Manchester via Crewe (fast to Crewe)
• 9SXX - xx:43 Glasgow/Edinburgh via Birmingham (fast MKC then Coventry)

London Overground (allocated either Class 378 or 710)

• 4tph all stations to Watford Junction via DC Lines departing at 15, 28, 45 and 58 minutes past each hour

There are full Bakerloo Line and AI only North London Line implementations with the occasional freight service passing over the WCML at Willesden Junction High Level. Southern were also still running all the way up to Milton Keynes in 2019 so this is also replicated in the timetable with pairs of 377s running up there once per hour off peak.

Hi there, the only absolutely required add-on is West Coast Mainline south which of course the timetable is based on. That in turn gives you the Bakerloo Line, Southern 377, Watford DC 710 and LNWR 350 layers (providing you also install the supplied 350 reskins in the download)

All others are not essential but are recommended to get the full experience from the timetable

Hi, have you installed the correct version for TSW6? You need the v1.3.1 zip for TSW6.

v1.3 is for TSW5 players

Off course. :-) i d'ont why .. :-(

Sorry for delay in getting back to you.

Can I confirm you definitely have the following mods downloaded AND installed?

• SprattyHeath Class 66 MegaPack
• The WCMLS 2024 timetable. Specifically the extra pak file that comes with this with the reskins (which contains the NMT HST)

Sorry if this is a stupid question but If I update to the v1.4 release are you saying that I will still have the 350/1 services using the DTG WCMLS model by doing something within the layers section?

No, since v1.4 replaces these with AAB's Class 350 which requires B2C route.

Ah OK so until I get the B2C route I'll need to stay on the v1.3 release?

Yes.

Thanks for confirming...... Told you it was a daft question.

There nothing wrong to double check. :)

Hi Davey, what UniqueTrains says is correct. We prefer to keep versions to a minimum (chiefly to help with support) and update the TTs to use the newest DLCs when they become available.

The only reason why v1.3 remains available is for users that are yet to move over from TSW5 to TSW6. Hope you continue to enjoy the TT! :D

hi, no not all DLC is required. You can also toggle layers off/on to suit your own experience

Unfortunately not. We want to try and keep it to as few versions as possible. Loads of different versions with minor differences would be a mess and a headache for us trying to support users with problems. Apologies

I am having the same issue. Every time I try to start a 390 service, I am spawning on foot at a random station, and I am not seeing any 390 AI on the map. Did you manage to find a solution to this yet?

I was having the same issue, it turned out to be the class 390 announcement mod/patches I had downloaded for WCMLS/B2C, if you have anything like that removing it should fix it. I also deleted the 390 headlight patch and it started working.

Looks like I need the All Aboard versions of the 350. Didn't see that listed in the required DLC. The game is also telling me I don't have the Class 153 even though I own the Cardiff City DLC. Weird.

I’ll investigate this thank you

Thank you for the kind words! :D

Hi, no you don’t need all the listed requirements for it to work. As you rightly say you just won’t see the corresponding layer or its services

cool thanks, loved this TT on TSW5 which i havent modded TSW since TSW5 over a year ago Just got TSW 6 and so theres a few DLCs i dont have now so wasnt sure if needed so i held out on some of these updated TTs, but thankfully i can get back to using these amazing modded TTs. Much appreciate the Reply.

You need Cargoline intermodal and the included “BrandedFCA.pak” installed for the services to appear and to be selectable

thanks for letting me know, this has been fixed for the next update

hi, yes that is definitely something I'd like to do for a future update. Not something I'm currently working on at the moment however

hi, it is definitely something I'd like to do for a future update. Not something I'm currently working on at the moment however